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angel_Eyes74
04-29-02, 11:52 AM
Someone posted this question on another BB that I go to once in a while, and I just wondered what everyone in here would have to say about this, so here goes.
For those of you that have read about the microchip thing, I was just wondering if you would be willing to have a chip inside you like that?
I personally would not ever do that, I don't care what depended on it! I know that this could be the start of what that Anti-Christ will end up making everyone do, or at least try to, and I want absolutely NO part of this!
This is in no way to start an :argue: I just wanted to know what everyone would think about having something like this in them.
God Bless,
angel_Eyes74

Multimom
04-29-02, 12:10 PM
While I'm not in favor of this for the general populus, I do think it could be of benefit for those who travel abroad in "dangerous" foreign countries. For example the reporter who was killed might have been found alive if he had been "microchipped".

It also might assist in locating MIA military personell and also in identifying KIA personnell when they are lost in a foreign country.

Imagine the many hearts that would finally have peace if their son's had been microchipped during Vietnam and could have been identified or located.

Flannel Avenger
04-29-02, 01:00 PM
No chance, no way, no how.

I don't want the government to be able to track my every move. That's the first step torwards a totalitarian state.

As for use in the military, if I was a third world despot, the first thing I'd do is figure out how to home in on those microchips so I'd never be the victim of a surprise attack (or use them to tell my missiles where to go). I am not sure as to the feasability of such a plan, but it is the first thing that comes to my mind.

selah
04-29-02, 07:21 PM
Even if it was originally intended for protecting me in some way, I still wouldn't trust that that would be the only way it was used. There's good that could come out of it, but I'm too conscientious about the power that would give the government over my life; and I would never willingly allow it.

Breni Sue
04-30-02, 04:04 AM
I think the potential for abuse far outweighs the benefits, IMO. I won't even let them put microchips in my kitties! ;) That's all I need - the FBI knocking down my door everytime one of my cats cough up something suspicious! :umm:

OK, in case nobody caught that, that was my lame attempt at humor! :o

My thoughts: No no no no no no no, and uhhh, no.

Ashwee
04-30-02, 01:46 PM
:rofl: Dont worry Kyrie... I laughed!

Barney
05-01-02, 09:47 AM
Microchips? They are wonderful creations.

Open the door
place inside (for 3 mins)
wait for PING

then eat....

....so yeah, i would like a micro-chip inside me!!!! :biggrin:

Ashwee
05-03-02, 04:58 PM
I dont get it... :umm: :what:

Breni Sue
05-04-02, 02:14 AM
Micro-chips, as in "microwavable chips"! :D

:rofl:@Barney

SweetM
05-04-02, 02:33 AM
No way. Like Kyrie said, too much potential for abuse. Plus it does make me nervous about the whole antichrist thing. Between studying Revalation and just finishing "Left Behind" I am on the alert about these things now. Whatever convenience it is supposed to offer seems small compared to all the risks.

I heard the other day that there is a store in the US that is now using a fingerprint system,( ie leaving your fingerprint somehow pays for the merchandise).

Breni Sue
05-04-02, 04:19 AM
Oooh, now that is just creepy! :eek: *shudders and holds herself back from going on another conspiracy theory rant*

If you find out the name of the store, let me know and I will make it a point to never shop there. :umm: I hope to God they don't make that mandatory everywhere. Not that I have anything to hide, but it's just the idea of my fingerprints being used like that! Uh-uh, no way, not this chick! :stinkeye:

ZeroDivide
05-06-02, 11:12 AM
It depends what said microchip would do.

If it was simply designed to track my location, then no. On the other hand, if it gave me superhuman reflexes, the ability to access the internet mentally... I would most certainly consider it.

Kittycat
05-10-02, 08:38 PM
:rofl: @ Barney and Kyrie.
Same here. I do not want some thingie that can track what I am doing in me! *shudders* Invasion of privacy is what it is. But to those who choose to get them suckers in them......:umm:

Flannel Avenger
05-10-02, 09:30 PM
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27584

grandpa
05-10-02, 10:53 PM
:angel: Hi All: Pray for the Holy Spirit Wisdom to understand and then read The Revelation--Chapter 13--Several times. No chip in me!!Agape. Grandpa.:) :cool:

Breni Sue
05-11-02, 02:12 AM
Amen, Grandpa! :)

Thanks for the link, Flannel. The article touched on a lot of things that concern me as far as this "chipping" business. Mainly this part:The company also envisions the implanted chips creating a "cashless society," being used instead of ATM and credit cards. ADS also wants to control all of the databases for all uses of the chips. Her talk about a "digital mafia" seemed kind of creepy as well.

They claim it is voluntary, but if they are pushing this whole "cashless society" thing as the article suggests, how long will it be before they begin making it more or less mandatory? I mean, without having a chip, it would make it hard to purchase anything. I can see the promo now: "Never worry about carrying cash again! Free yourself from the hassle of writing checks, depositing money in the bank or carrying all those bothersome cards! With this handy-dandy chip, you will not have anything for those pesky little muggers to steal from you! Call within the next 10 minutes and get this fabulous micro-chip keychain absolutely free!" (OK, so maybe I went overboard on that last part there! :D )

Revelation 13:16-17 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Prophesy coming true?? Perhaps my paranoia is founded afterall. :eek:

Flannel Avenger
05-11-02, 09:54 PM
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you!

No chips but corn chips for me!

Breni Sue
05-12-02, 06:43 PM
What about potato chips? Or chocolate chips? :D

I emailed that link to my uncle, and this is what he said: "I don't like it. I am sure somewhere in the programing there is 666"

Guess we're not the only ones....

Flannel Avenger
05-12-02, 06:48 PM
oooh yes, I forgot about chocolate chips. I've never been too fond of potatoe chips, though.

I think there's more of us out there than most people think :D

The antiChrist could never get away with his nefarious schemes if the Church wasn't raptured... :angel:

angel_Eyes74
05-13-02, 10:44 AM
I think there's more of us out there than most people think

I think so too, definitely. There are so many people that really wouldn't get any of those kinds of chips in them that I've talked to recentely, and I had NO idea that they even knew about things like that.

And Bren, this stuff that you said Never worry about carrying cash again! Free yourself from the hassle of writing checks, depositing money in the bank or carrying all those bothersome cards! With this handy-dandy chip, you will not have anything for those pesky little muggers to steal from you! Call within the next 10 minutes and get this fabulous micro-chip keychain absolutely free!
I CAN see that on tv like that, when I was reading it I just got this creepy feeling that I can't explain. Well, that last part did kind of crack me up a little, lol.:rofl: But I can see the rest on there, and I bet that's how they will try to sell it to the public, well close to that anyway. That really scares me too :wah:
I know that a lot of people would fall for that, especially since
9-11. I know that not as many as the people that are selling it would think, but still an awful lot of people would!

God Bless,
angel_Eyes74

Flannel Avenger
05-16-02, 07:04 PM
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27655

the chief scientist for the development of Digital Angel, Dr. Peter Zhou, also indicated he was "very interested" in pursuing the Digital Angel tracking chip as a form of national healthcare ID -- along the lines of the universal biometric identifier proposed by then-Secretary of Health and Human Services Donna Shalala.

Other uses envisioned and discussed by ADS executives included widespread use as a "universal standard" in computer logon security, and even as a method of gun control.

And earlier this year, CEO Richard Sullivan suggested that all foreigners entering the country might be injected with the chips, replacing green cards -- "allowing officials to monitor their activities better."

"I think the positives overwhelmingly overcome any small negatives," Sullivan concluded. "The government is more prepared, for the overall benefit of our citizens, to advocate some of these changes."

Sullivan has also stated that in 5 years he expects to see the chips implanted into children, the elderly, airport workers and nuclear power plant workers.



""The government is more prepared, for the overall benefit of our citizens, to advocate some of these changes." "

It's for OUR benefit. That makes me feel soooooooo much better.

Vinnie
05-16-02, 11:15 PM
It could be used for good. If a person is kidnapped or something.......

I guess it would depend on what they are used for.

Flannel Avenger
05-16-02, 11:27 PM
Except that the government doesn't have the best track record with these things.

Vinnie
05-17-02, 01:42 AM
So much junk goes on during each day of the US governments life its ridiculous.

Breni Sue
05-17-02, 02:01 AM
Like I said earlier, that's how they always get you - it's for our own good! It's beneficial/convenient/safer/etc... I'm sorry, but I maintian my position that the potential for abuse far outweighs the so-called "benefits". No chip for me - no way, no how, no never!

Vinnie
05-17-02, 02:48 AM
Days goes or accept the chip? :D

Breni Sue
05-17-02, 03:22 AM
Well realistically, every show has to go eventually. So again I say, no chip! ;)

Besides, I could always watch vintage Days on SoapNet! :D

angel_Eyes74
05-17-02, 10:06 AM
I have a question about this part of the article
Sullivan has also stated that in 5 years he expects to see the chips implanted into children, the elderly, airport workers and nuclear power plant workers.
Now, my question is, does this mean that when babies are born in the hospital that they will just start putting the chips in them right then? Or for the elderly, that they will go in to the doctor's for something and then they will put the chips in them right then, or if they have to have a surgery that they will just do it then, without anyone's permission for either?
I tell you this is just getting worse and worse. I feel so helpless because I know that there is NOTHING that I can do to stop the madness! :crying: I know that workers could quit if they absolutely didn't agree or just didn't want that in them, but I am just very worried about the children and elderly! I am worried for everyone, but that just totally caught my attention!
I also know that no one can stop this, it was written in the Bible, so it WILL happen, but it's just totally catching me off guard at how quickly it's all happening! :umm:
All I can say is I totally, 100% agree with what Bren has under your ID on here! Lord Have Mercy!
God Bless,
angel_Eyes74

Flannel Avenger
05-17-02, 10:32 AM
I don't know. I think it's just the pro-chip guy telling his vision of the future.

Vinnie
05-17-02, 02:06 PM
I don't see how any of this actually relates to any Biblical books.....

Flannel Avenger
05-17-02, 03:18 PM
Mark of the Beast in Revelation. (Be prepared for Vinnie to say he doesn't believe Revelation is inspired.)

Avatarus
05-17-02, 03:22 PM
I'm not getting chipped... and nobody... and I mean NOBODY is going to put freaking microchips in my kids when I have them someday. Over my dead body...

Avatarus

Flannel Avenger
05-17-02, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by Avatarus
I'm not getting chipped... and nobody... and I mean NOBODY is going to put freaking microchips in my kids when I have them someday. Over my dead body...

Avatarus

I agree with you 100%

Kittycat
05-17-02, 06:23 PM
AMEN!! I agree wholeheartidly!!

notthe9
10-13-03, 06:17 PM
Although I believe we lack any reason to believe that microchips will be the tool of the Antichrist, should the Antichrist even be a future figure, I would still be hesitent to get one implanted, and certainly would not want one from our pagan government.

selah
10-13-03, 06:52 PM
wow, what a blast from the past!

lap7
10-13-03, 09:34 PM
I really believe it will be what is part of a one world government and possible fulfill what people have been saying the end times were all about.

notthe9
10-14-03, 12:41 AM
Wow, I did not mean to ressurrect this thread. I do not know how it displayed for me. Perhaps someone posted and then the post got deleted. Whoa...

JessLynn
10-14-03, 12:43 AM
ZeroDivide I hope you see this because I don't want to start a new thread. But have you ever read the book Feed? It is by M. T. Anderson and is a young adult novel where nearly everyone in the world has a computer chip in their brain and they can constantly access the internet through it. The book is basically about commercialism and but your comment about the internet capabilities made me think to recommend this to you.

Warning: Lots of swearing in the book and partying and other "teenage" things ;)

Angeleyes
10-14-03, 08:22 AM
No way do I want a chip in me or my kids! It sounds like a "big brother thing" I don't want the gov' to know what I am doing and where I am. Maybe they should do it to the ones who can not stay out of jail :hmm:

John15
10-14-03, 08:32 AM
Originally posted by grandpa
:angel: Hi All: Pray for the Holy Spirit Wisdom to understand and then read The Revelation--Chapter 13--Several times. No chip in me!!Agape. Grandpa.:) :cool:

I agree, the microchip thing does sounds alot like the mark of the beast. Even if it's not I'd rather er on the side of safty. The "buy or sell" thing is what convinces me, and the fact that the hand and forehead would probably the most logical places to put the chip.(for scanning)

It seems like something like that could end up causing persecution of believers. We would probably be mocked as supersticious, crazy, old-fashioned, narrow-minded, selfish etc. if and when we refused to be marked. Many would be more than happy to make believers of Christ poor and less influential.

I really don't understand how being marked would be a sin, unless a condition to being marked would be denial of Christ or denial of spreading the gospel of Christ, which would basically be the same thing as worsiping the beast rather than God???

High_Ground
10-14-03, 01:46 PM
My general answer is: NO WAY!

How long before the microchip can be used to provide "evidence" of subversive activities.

The day is coming when Traditional Fundamentalist Christianity will be considered subversive in America. These chips could track your movement and make it possible for the Government to prove that you are plotting against the state, or conducting in "hate speech" by attending Church.

It sounds like a conspiracy theory, but look at the news:

Already in France it is against the law to speak out against homosexuals, or other groups in the name of religious objection.

In America there is an ongoing movement to ban Religious symbols from public discourse. The logical extension of this is any attempt to evangalize outside of the Church.

Read 1984 by Orwell, the dates are off, as are some of the details, but he was suprisingly accurate in some of his predictions:
Victory Gin=Ritalin.
etc.

John15
10-14-03, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by High_Ground
My general answer is: NO WAY!

in America there is an ongoing movement to ban Religious symbols from public discourse.

I haven't heard about this can you explain??? Guess I might have to start wearing a crusifix necklace or something.

I don't understand how we went from freedom of speech to such over-sensitivity as to protect from being offended by Christians at the expense of freedom of speech. It's seems almost far-fetched noone would have beleived it a few decades ago.

I agree with you they probably will outlaw all evangelizing outside of Churches or homes eventually. Maybe even trying to censor sermons and the like.

Seems like the pace at which things are coming together to fulfill the endtimes prophesies are really beginning to kick into high gear.

Flannel Avenger
10-14-03, 02:22 PM
Case in point, Roy Moore and his 10 Commandments monument. Or cities not having a Christmas Tree, or no nativity scene on public property.

High_Ground
10-14-03, 02:23 PM
Go to the ACLU's website and read their statements regarding freedom of religion, especially focus on the establishment clause.

Also, if you want to be shocked, look up The Organization for the Separtation of Church and State.

The Ten Commandments are just the beginning.

Also, look at the Anti-Defamation League's statements against Mel Gibson's "The Passion of Jesus Christ" A truthful attempt to potray the last hours of Christ's life is defamed as Anti-Semetic.

Satan is smart, and crafty, he works through men's hearts in ways we can't think of. He takes works of man (retribution for the Holocost) and twists them to his means.

Truly we are at the beginning of the last days.

(Fortunately, we all have a fire insurance policy.) :D

Flannel Avenger
10-14-03, 02:25 PM
Here's another good one, Under God in the pledge, which the Supreme Court is going to review.

CalledByGrace
10-14-03, 05:27 PM
Nope no way nu-uh