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Ann
10-06-15, 09:37 PM
How do you react to people who want to be helpful but whose lifestyle or beliefs or actions make you uncomfortable? Most of you know about Caring Hands Ministries at least a little and that it is sharing God's love in practical ways (like food, clothes power bills etc.) with people in need and those who serve them. Doing this takes stuff and money and volunteers. There are some folks who want to help but in ways that involve things that make me uncomfortable either because of the activities or because I wonder if their being seen as part of what we do says to them and to the world that we are OK w shacking up and other lifestyle issues. Yet how will we ever reach them if we reject them? Some words of wisdom please. On the one hand come out from among them and be ye separate and on the other he who is not aginst me is for me???

Ann
10-24-15, 04:13 PM
answers anyone?

Paulo
10-24-15, 06:24 PM
I guess you've got to balance the practical side with the idealist side? If the Bible goes both ways a bit.

Paulo
10-24-15, 06:26 PM
I could maybe relate this to why I believe the Catholic only books DON'T actually contradict the Protestant books, but I don't have the scriptures in question.

Ann
10-24-15, 06:38 PM
good points Paulo maybe I should be more specific in what I'm concerned about. We are a Christian ministry is it appropriate for there to be a fundraiser that involves alcohol (and I don't mean just wine with a meal)? Is it appropriate and glorifying God for people who deny Christ and God's having any authority in how one leads one's life to be involved in more than casual ways? If we tell them we don't want them around will that draw them to Jesus or push them away?

Paulo
10-24-15, 07:59 PM
I think it's balance... alcohol but not in excess, Jesus hung around with drunken sinners after all.

It's possible for something to be true but about different things at different times, and it's possible for something to be nearly always true but there can be one or two exceptions. If the Bible doesn't specify, TAKE IT LITERALLY.

when i first started reading the Bible I confused myself because I assumed that everything that the people in the Bible said was true, as part of it being the Word of God. but, people lie in the Bible - like the Israelite women protecting the babies. Even though it was a lie, God still blessed them because the intention was pure.

Rick G.
06-16-16, 05:28 PM
I believe the "Mission Statement" of Caring Hands pretty much says it all:

"Caring Hands Ministries has shown God's help in practical ways to people in need and those who serve them since 1995. "

Those "practical ways" are part of what Jesus did with the loaves and fishes. We are not called to be cloistered in on Sundays in a church, feeding ourselves. We are there to be equipped to serve. If our purpose is to just serve our brothers and sisters in the Fellowship Hall, then the scripture saying we must come out from among sinners makes sense in that particular personal interpretation. However, since the Bible never disagrees with itself, that cannot possibly be the purpose and intent of that piece of scripture... IMHO.. :biggrin:

If we only help those who would agree with us, then we are no different than the pagans, for they do as much.. - a Rick paraphrase of scripture.. Matt 5:47 (any version)

Ann
06-16-16, 08:45 PM
I understand that you don't know us. The question is not and never was about helping only those who share our view of Christ and of right living or of associating personally only with such people The question was about activities done for the ministry for example fundraisers someone wants to do at which consumption of large amounts of alcohol alcohol is a or the central activity and the role it may or may not be appropriate for people who openly deny or defy God to play. These folks want to help people want to feel good about themselves for helping but to what extent does it become saying that things the Bible says are wrong are OK or being perceived as saying that? To what extent is this saying their activities and attitudes are OK? To what extent are we saying to the community that we embrace these activities, To what extent are we telling the children that are connected to the ministry that these things are OK. I am not talking about personally associating with someone I am talking about making these things a part of the ministry activities. And btw we are deep in the "Bible belt" to whatever extent that matters.

Rick G.
06-17-16, 12:17 PM
I understand that you don't know us. The question is not and never was about helping only those who share our view of Christ and of right living or of associating personally only with such people The question was about activities done for the ministry for example fundraisers someone wants to do at which consumption of large amounts of alcohol alcohol is a or the central activity and the role it may or may not be appropriate for people who openly deny or defy God to play. These folks want to help people want to feel good about themselves for helping but to what extent does it become saying that things the Bible says are wrong are OK or being perceived as saying that? To what extent is this saying their activities and attitudes are OK? To what extent are we saying to the community that we embrace these activities, To what extent are we telling the children that are connected to the ministry that these things are OK. I am not talking about personally associating with someone I am talking about making these things a part of the ministry activities. And btw we are deep in the "Bible belt" to whatever extent that matters.

Hi,

Well, I obviously misread or misconstrued the original post. It is my belief that if the church fund-raiser is no different than tailgate party, then we are showing we don't have anything special or different than what the secular world has to offer. That said, if the fundraiser is having an activity that "generally" would include things that would not be appropriate, then it may be time to rethink the theme of said fundraiser..

Please excuse my conceptual brevity and economy of words - it's how I think and how I post. As for being deep in the Bible Belt - our Bibles are not edited separately for geographic locations. If so, I have a Silicon Valley California/Phoenix Arizona Metroplex version... :rofl:

Ann
06-17-16, 01:55 PM
Our Bibles are not edited differently for sure but our "audience" is. The conclusion we have come to thus far on this one - and it is definitely still in process- is that if XYZ group wants to have a party at the tavern to raise money for kids school needs that is cool but it will be XYZ's party not CHM party and that is splitting a hair I know.I do however draw a very deep line at things that involve illegal activities (drugs) or porn.

Rick G.
06-17-16, 03:02 PM
Our Bibles are not edited differently for sure but our "audience" is. The conclusion we have come to thus far on this one - and it is definitely still in process- is that if XYZ group wants to have a party at the tavern to raise money for kids school needs that is cool but it will be XYZ's party not CHM party and that is splitting a hair I know.I do however draw a very deep line at things that involve illegal activities (drugs) or porn.

I think I am catching on/up, as a newbie.. I think we can agree on all your points. :)