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Ann
12-15-14, 11:16 PM
Is it possible to have a governmental system and laws that promote morality without that morality being based in religious concept? How or why not? If the laws are based on right and wrong as found in the Bible for example is that compatible with something like the US Constitution prohibition against congress making laws that establish religion.

Example we say that taking a human life is wrong but some religions promote Jihad some promote "honor killing"

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12-15-14, 11:46 PM
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Flannel Avenger
12-15-14, 11:50 PM
Atheist propaganda aside, there can be no law without a lawgiver.

God, as Creator of the universe (and humanity) is the only being with that kind of authority.

Anybody wishing to discuss the First Amendment to the US Constitution should first read Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists where he makes clear that the First Amendment does not prevent the religious from being involved in government, but merely prevents the government from telling the religious how to worship. ( http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danpre.html )

But then again, I suppose the question hinges entirely on the definition of morality. After all, feminists seem to take it as a matter of conviction that abortion is a moral good.

The better question is, is morality objective, and if so, is it possible to establish a government that abides by that objective morality without Christian influence?

the answer to 1 is yes, morality is objective, and the answer to 2 is no.

The Founding Fathers believed that the US Constitution was a government for a deeply moral and religious people and that it could not function otherwise.

Bayrat
12-16-14, 08:15 PM
After reading the last sentence in Flannel Avenger's post, I decided not to post my comment...because it was almost word for word what I was going to say.

However, once a society falls into decline such as ours has, even though based upon a "legislated" morality (which was influenced by Christian beliefs), it will soon cease to exist as a free society (which it almost has).

Caretaker
12-17-14, 08:28 AM
Morality is objective as Flannel has stated, but it can also be arbitrary and swayed by majority opinion, especially as the society declines. Fir instance the old laws declaring homosexual practice a criminal offense.

The laws of the land are reflective of the standards of justice and right and wrong, (Thou shalt not murder, thou shalt not steal, etc.), which God has established from antiquity.

Bob Carabbio
08-20-16, 11:01 PM
Is it possible to have a governmental system and laws that promote morality without that morality being based in religious concept?

OF course it is - BUT Bear in mind that Christianity DOESN'T CONCERN ITSELF with "Morality" - which is inevitably "Situational" in nature, and based on the majority Public Mores of the society in involved.

Christianity ONLY concerns itself with Righteousness, and SIN which are presented as absolutes Biblically. BY HUMAN MORALITY, God himself will ALWAYS BE SEEN as Immoral, cruel, Arbitrary and capricious.

If the laws are based on right and wrong as found in the Bible for example which they're NOT, and never have been. "Laws" are enacted by consensus of Congress, and MAY agree with Biblical Principles, and also MAY NOT. The U.S. IS NOT, and never HAS BEEN a "Christian Country" even though MANY PEOPLE in the U.S. personally follow Biblical principles.

Example we say that taking a human life is wrong but some religions promote Jihad some promote "honor killing"

Christianity is a TOTALLY EXCLUSIVE "belief system". There's ONLY ONE NAME under Heaven through which a human can be saved, and We couldn't CARE LESS what ISLAM, or Judaism, or Buddhism say or thinks about it.

Paulo
08-25-16, 06:27 PM
OF course it is - BUT Bear in mind that Christianity DOESN'T CONCERN ITSELF with "Morality" - which is inevitably "Situational" in nature, and based on the majority Public Mores of the society in involved.

Christianity ONLY concerns itself with Righteousness, and SIN which are presented as absolutes Biblically. BY HUMAN MORALITY, God himself will ALWAYS BE SEEN as Immoral, cruel, Arbitrary and capricious.

which they're NOT, and never have been. "Laws" are enacted by consensus of Congress, and MAY agree with Biblical Principles, and also MAY NOT. The U.S. IS NOT, and never HAS BEEN a "Christian Country" even though MANY PEOPLE in the U.S. personally follow Biblical principles.



Christianity is a TOTALLY EXCLUSIVE "belief system". There's ONLY ONE NAME under Heaven through which a human can be saved, and We couldn't CARE LESS what ISLAM, or Judaism, or Buddhism say or thinks about it.

agreed strongly with last paragraph. funny to think God's warnings over Saul and David - it's almost like anarchy might be better as you're submitting fully to the will of God (until such times as Jesus himself rules). I don't think I'd promote anarchy though...