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Charles
07-21-14, 01:09 PM
Did Eve cause the human race to fall and be thrown out of the garden of Eden or were both Adam and Eve responsible?

Flannel Avenger
07-21-14, 11:09 PM
That... is a trick question.

(and in an unrelated but topical quotation)...


"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves, that we are underlings."
Julius Caesar (I, ii, 140-141)

Walker
07-22-14, 10:39 AM
both were, both sinned, eve sinned by eating the fruit, but then adam lied about eating the fruit.

Caretaker
07-22-14, 06:42 PM
Romans 5:
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

The Word declares Adam to be the source of sin which brought death.

Paulo
07-22-14, 09:42 PM
I think it is a trick question. Both were responsible but sin is in all men and women, it would have entered the world anyway. Not forgetting Satan's role too as the tempter.

Caretaker
07-23-14, 11:31 AM
Adam was given the authority and responsibility over the Garden, which caused him to be the one held accountable. The Word of God declares that by Adam did sin enter the world, and so I accept what it declares.
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Genesis 2:
15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

guest user
07-26-14, 07:17 PM
A lot of people blame it all on Eve and she did talk to the serpent in the first place and did add to what God had told them when she said they were not supposed to eat of or touch the tree. She did listen to and act on his con job and choose to believe God did not really want the best for her. But the Bible also says Adam was right there and could have said shut up you lying snake and did not. He could have said Hey don't eat that and did not. He could have refused to eat the fruit of that tree and did not. So he had a big part too and later on in the bible either Adam is used for all human kind or it blames Adam specifically. Eve was conned but he knew what was what and did it anyway. This is out of Genesis 3.

Nothing good ever comes of talking to a snake or listening to one either.

Flannel Avenger
07-26-14, 10:46 PM
Adam was given the authority and responsibility over the Garden, which caused him to be the one held accountable. The Word of God declares that by Adam did sin enter the world, and so I accept what it declares.
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:


Indeed. There's the trick. Eve didn't condemn mankind to sin. The responsibility was all on Adam and Romans 5:12 doesn't give much of a way around it.

It opens up some interesting possibilities about the necessity of the Virgin Birth.

Flannel Avenger
07-26-14, 10:48 PM
I think it is a trick question. Both were responsible but sin is in all men and women, it would have entered the world anyway. Not forgetting Satan's role too as the tempter.

If sin would have entered the world anyway because it was in all men and women, how did it get there?

It seems to me that God did not create Adam and Eve with the sin nature in them. He created them with the capacity to choose whether or not they would obey or rebel against His commands. That is to say, it was not a foregone conclusion that man had to be sinful.

Ann
07-27-14, 07:28 PM
Never thought of that in connection with virgin birth but it makes sense to my spirit and my mind.